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on this episode of skeptico alex talks

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with energy healing researcher and

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practitioner bernadette doran

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i wanted to circle back around to the

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very beginning when we talked about

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mind-body medicine and the role of

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consciousness

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dr bangston's work is a jaw-dropping

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proof to me which is how i found him ten

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years ago i saw

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some of his mouse experiments published

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in in peer-reviewed journals

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jaw-dropping

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proof that a conscious belief in

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something a conscious awareness of

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something is not required for energy

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therapy these are mice now you know i

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don't know a lot about mouth

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consciousness but i'm pretty sure

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it's not like hey minnie who's that guy

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putting his hands on the cage i don't

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believe that anything is going to happen

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just have faith and imagine those little

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cells die right right exactly none of

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that is required

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stay with us

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welcome to skeptica where we explore

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controversial science with leading

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researchers thinkers and their critics

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i'm your host alex sacaris and on this

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episode of skeptico we're going to talk

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about energy healing and since this

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interview that you're going to hear in a

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few minutes is also featured in this

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book that i'm writing that i keep

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telling you about why science is wrong

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about almost everything i thought i

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might do an audio version of one of the

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chapters from this book that includes

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this interview with bernadette doran so

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i don't think you're going to need much

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more of an introduction than that to

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appreciate what's going on this is from

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chapter 9 of why science is wrong about

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almost everything the chapter is titled

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wrong about healing and medicine

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like a lot of middle-aged men i don't

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like going to the doctor

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but in 2013 i started experiencing

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severe heart palpitations i felt like i

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was having a heart attack three or four

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times a day and i knew i had to see a

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physician

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after looking up the name of my doctor

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who i hadn't seen in five years i made

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an appointment

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it's amazing how quickly they schedule

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your visit when you tell them you're a

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man in your 50s with heart pains

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after a few in-office tests and an ekg

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my doctor could find nothing wrong with

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me and sent me home i was relieved but

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still concerned despite all the tests i

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was experiencing strong heart

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palpitations every day after a couple of

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months i went back to the doctor and

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said look i know you didn't find

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anything the first time around but i'm

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concerned and i'm not generally someone

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who obsesses about their health

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my doctor did another exam then she ran

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another ekg

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then she came back in listened very

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carefully to my heart and said

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we've got to get you right over to a

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cardiologist you need to go now we're

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scheduling an appointment for you my

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sense of satisfaction about being right

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quickly turned to fear about what was

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going to come next

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of course medical stories like mine

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often have twists and turns

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with me

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obamacare intervened

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the cardiologist was set i received a

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call telling me obamacare laws had gone

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into effect that very day and my

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insurance was no longer in effect at

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that hospital i called my insurance

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agent and found myself in a insurance

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limbo i would either have to change

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health care systems including switching

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doctors that everyone in my family had

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used for years or i would have to wait

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30 days for my new insurance to take

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effect i decided to wait a decision

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completely against my doctor's advice in

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fact she called up and told me okay if

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you have a heart attack here's what to

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do here's what to tell the ambulance i

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was starting to question my decision and

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that's when i remembered my interview

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with dr william bankston

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so since i'm not going to include for

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you my interview with dr william

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bankston because it's in the library of

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old shows for skeptico i will just

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remind you that dr bankston is a

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sociology professor at saint joseph's

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college in new york

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who has done just some amazing things

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with energy healing which he happened to

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just kind of kind of stumble into he's a

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highly regarded academic

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a very rigorous researcher been elected

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president multiple times of the society

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for scientific exploration a very

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impressive group if you've ever checked

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so in this chapter then i talk about my

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interview with dr bankston in his

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amazing work

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studying energy healing his own energy

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healing with animals and with people

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specific experience with bernadette

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dr william bankston is an impressive guy

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and while his unexplainable methods and

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too good to be true results left a lot

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of unanswered questions

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his approach and rigor left an

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impression on me so when i needed

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healing i looked for a healer that used

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the bankston method with a little help

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from dr benson i found bernadette doran

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an energy healer in chicago i decided to

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schedule a healing with her while i

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waited in insurance limbo i also decided

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skeptico

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and i am doing so here here is my

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interview now several months old but

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today we welcome bernadette doran to

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skeptico bernadette is the director of

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equilibrium energy and education a group

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so bernadette first let me thank you and

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welcome you to skeptico

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thank you i'm delighted to be here

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so your group this is going this first

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going to be a bit of a departure from

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topics that we normally talk about in

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terms of consciousness science but i

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think the further we get into it folks

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departure from the topics that we talk

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about but let's start by having you tell

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folks a little bit about this group e3

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recent things that have come up i guess

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the things that drew me to you was you

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on this show and someone who people

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who've listened to the show kind of know

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about his amazing work in doing energy

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experiment with rats that had cancer so

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wellness center that's the simplest way

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for a lot of reasons first of all i was

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my my career and my life to kind of a

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winding peripatetic turn but the most

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for some years and there's a lot of

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wonderful things going on in energy

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therapy but a lot of it there's no way

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what its potential is a lot of stuff

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a place where people could come and have

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therapies as well as learn

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their loved ones as well as be certified

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in certain certifiable therapies that

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therapies what we're talking about even

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with energy healing i think most people

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maybe start from the beginning and in

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particular hone in on these therapies

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reaction for some people and then the

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idea of of proven it and how you would

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um first of all energy therapies are

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therapies that are

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non-physical and non-physical in the

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sense of western medicine take a pill

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they're not physical they're not

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therapies i can give you the way they

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work is basically quantum physics and i

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people to to help understand this and i

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would certainly suggest the basic code

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of the universe by an italian

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quantum physics the basis of

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of consciousness the basic

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understand all kinds of things and one

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works not only in person but absent

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healing and that's a whole other

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category but but but how i would

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and each therapy has its own frequency

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specific frequency that stimulate your

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natural systems to rebalance themselves

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that's in a nutshell what energy therapy

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is bernadette let me jump in there again

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because i can already hear in my head

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the pushback from a lot of people and

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you went through a lot of points there

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that i think are good but i want to try

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of all this whole idea of of energy

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of mind-body medicine right so this yes

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that is absolutely correct right so this

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whole idea that we've been exploring and

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among conventional medicine hey that

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there's more to

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the body than just the physical there

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seems to be this interaction with the

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mind and we don't know quite how it

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works but heck we have this placebo

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effect and we can't get around it and it

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seems stronger than our strongest

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medicines maybe we take maybe we better

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take another look at it and then the

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other point you made is that some people

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have gone further and said well you know

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if i really dive into this mind brain

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thing there's this consciousness thing

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yes that is in your mind but there's

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also there's this energy element that we

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can't again quite put our finger on but

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it does seem to be able to be

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moved around and adjusted and shifted

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and we go into other cultures and they

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seem to have a long history of that and

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then as you alluded to

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we don't fully understand quantum

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physics but when we start hearing some

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of the terms and ideas and concepts in

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quantum physics we say huh might that

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not be an explanation

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for all this other stuff we see going on

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so with that i i i just want to

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say that i think

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i just really support people who are

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willing to then venture out as you are

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and say okay we don't understand

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everything about this but let's start

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using the tools and methods of science

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that we have to start applying some of

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these techniques and seeing if we can

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measure the results so kind of a black

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box thing we don't know exactly what's

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going on but let's see if we do this

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let's see if we can measure on the other

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end what comes out here and see whether

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it's efficacious in the same way that we

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do with

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many of the other more conventional

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treatments that we have and it's really

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medical history i mean that's how

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medicine has always advanced in its

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therapies and we've refined it and we've

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tried to understand better about the

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treatments that we use and what they

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really do but in the end if you really

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get for re really get real about reading

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our medical history a lot of times we

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didn't know exactly how or why the

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treatments we were using on people were

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effective we just measured as health

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care givers that and i'm not a health

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caregiver but healthcare givers measured

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hey this seems to be

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helping people so

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jump in there and and

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and tell me what i'm missing or what you

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would add to that

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oh you're not missing anything at all

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and there's so many new doorways you've

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opened up for discussion here but first

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you know i wan i want to go immediately

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to your remark about medical history and

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you know a lot of your listeners may

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already know this story and you may know

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this story

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the thing about energy energy therapies

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is that they are invisible that's the

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most difficult thing

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that's that's why

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moving forward in this very highly

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valuable therapeutic direction is so

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challenging for us because if it's

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invisible people don't think of it as

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something valuable or useful if you're

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used to taking an aspirin if you're you

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know if if you're used to something

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physical from the medical community then

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you can't imagine number one or then as

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a corollary number two even fathom that

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something invisible could be helping you

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now the example i want to use in this

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um i'm not sure what the year was

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but uh i want to say the late 1800s or

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early 1900s a dramatic shift was made it

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was before the invention of the micro

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microscope so whenever that occurred

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that's the time we're talking about but

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there was a huge

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extremely high mortality rate of women

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during childbirth i want to say around

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50 percent something like that

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and

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people just took it for granted oh well

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you have a baby you might die there you

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go you know well there was a physician

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who

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had the idea he noticed that doctors did

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not wash their hands

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after handling one patient they just

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went on to the next patient next patient

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it was just his idea it was just i don't

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know if it was an intuition if it was

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his own personal science experiment or

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if he was just you know really into

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personal hygiene but he decided to see

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if it would make a difference

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and so

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he went out of his way absolutely every

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single time to wash his hands after

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going from one delivery a woman who

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delivered her baby to another

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and the mortality rate in his hospital

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plummeted once he started doing that

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well not that and he he was the object

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he was a laughingstock of his hospital

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people made fun of him they thought he

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was crazy they thought he was ridiculous

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well some years later the microscope was

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invented and people could see the

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microbes on their hands and so what all

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of those doctors for all that time were

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doing was transferring infected matter

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from one person to another to another to

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another women got septicemia and all

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kinds of things and died this was a

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doctor who just

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moved forward with a theory that he

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thought would work it was proven but he

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became the laughingstock of a lot of

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people and actually i sadly discovered

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in larry dosi's new book one mind he

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actually committed suicide because he

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felt so

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he had become such an outlier and felt

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so rejected by the community but it

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changed it changed the course of medical

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history now every doctor washes their

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hands everyday they use latex gloves

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they use all kinds of sanitary

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precautions and so the death rate has

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dropped dramatically in all kinds of

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ways but if it wasn't for that one guy

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who said i can't see anything on my

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hands you know and he would say the

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doctors say well look my hands are fine

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they're fine there's no blood on nothing

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you know well no you're you can't see

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what's really on them

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so that is

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what i say the state of energy therapies

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are energy medicine the state of it

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right now

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now um i must tell you that these kind

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of

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therapies are far more accepted in other

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countries than america

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in fact that's how i got my start when i

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lived and worked in australia and that's

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another part of the story of the

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interview if you want to get into

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but we are we are reluctant to embrace

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it because we're used to be western

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medicine being the only form of therapy

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invasive therapy that adds something to

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the body through ingested medication or

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takes something out of the body through

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surgery

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we are we are used to a 100

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physical form of therapy

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so that's why research is so important

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to us first of all we do have a research

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page on our website and i wouldn't

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certainly invite anyone to take a look

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because a lot of when and when i say

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a proven therapy what i mean is

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what kind of experiments have been done

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to indicate results from a particular

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form of therapy

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so i'll give you a couple of examples

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and also we do our own original research

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here and i'll talk a little bit about

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that later too

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please do because i think folks are

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going to be

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and maybe if i can kind of direct you a

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little bit because i'll definitely point

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i'll definitely point people to the the

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website at equilibrium

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e3.com

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and your page on research where you do

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have there's a considerable amount of

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academic scientific medical

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peer-reviewed research that you point to

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but i think folks would be particularly

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interested in how an

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institution like yours which is really

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just a a group of practitioners who are

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using these therapies on people who are

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trying to make their life better

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how you're going about doing your own

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research great wonderful question we

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have an amazing person named vernon

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nicholas who is our research director

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he's a professional researcher he has

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been his entire life but he started his

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whole research career in in market

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research

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but that's what he has his degrees in

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he's trained in getting data analyzing

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data he's the most objective person

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you'll ever meet in your life

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and so um he and i took a look at all

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the different kinds of measurement tools

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that were out there that were affordable

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to us even remotely affordable to us

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because there are some kinds of

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different things you can build and buy

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there are hundreds of thousands of

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dollars well we're just a tiny little

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place we've served five thousand people

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so far but we're just a small venture

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trying to do you know trying to help as

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many people as we can

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but um vernon vernon and i discovered we

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and he and i have been going to energy

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medicine conferences for the last five

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years that's how we met bill bankston

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and

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now that now we work together with so um

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we we discovered something uh was

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available called a gas discharge

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the the basic concept started

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in russia about 20 years ago for this

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kind of camera the russians are really

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into this stuff they they understand the

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electromagnetics of the body and the the

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first cameras kirlian cameras

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k-i-r-l-i-a-n

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cameras are very rudimentary electrical

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measurements of the electrical impulses

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of the meridian system we all have a

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meridian system and 5 000 years of

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chinese medicine tibetan medicine all

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that kind of stuff people understand

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that western medicine doesn't even

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acknowledge that there is such a thing

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but that's how acupuncture is based

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there's all kinds of different energy

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therapies that stimulate the meridian

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system to get the body back in balance

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so

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version of that earlier

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electrical

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photographic device concept into

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something called

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gas discharge visualization

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it's a small camera

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all all of your meridians end in your

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fingertips and in your toes

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and so by

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when vernon takes the picture it's just

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a little tiny camera you just put your

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fingertip down one fingertip at a time

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on this little camera

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and there's actually a tiny tiny tiny

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infinitesimal electrical charge that you

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get zapped with to capture what that the

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energetic state of that meridian is in

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is each finger

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and so um

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then there's

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very very very complex software that

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instantly analyzes

558
00:22:20,149 --> 00:22:17,919
the state of your

559
00:22:23,669 --> 00:22:20,159
not only your physical being but also

560
00:22:26,470 --> 00:22:23,679
your emotional balance as well as your

561
00:22:27,270 --> 00:22:26,480
physical vitality levels lots of other

562
00:22:29,750 --> 00:22:27,280
things

563
00:22:33,110 --> 00:22:29,760
so what this and then it analyzes all

564
00:22:35,909 --> 00:22:33,120
that instantly and vernon can show you

565
00:22:37,590 --> 00:22:35,919
immediately your state of being he can

566
00:22:39,110 --> 00:22:37,600
make the invisible

567
00:22:42,310 --> 00:22:39,120
visible that's the whole point of this

568
00:22:44,789 --> 00:22:42,320
make the invisible visible and so there

569
00:22:47,750 --> 00:22:44,799
are several ways to slice and dice it he

570
00:22:49,909 --> 00:22:47,760
can show which organs which systems are

571
00:22:52,870 --> 00:22:49,919
off whether an emotional level or

572
00:22:54,950 --> 00:22:52,880
physical level if you're how low your

573
00:22:57,510 --> 00:22:54,960
vitality is compared to average how

574
00:22:59,590 --> 00:22:57,520
stressed you are compared to average all

575
00:23:05,830 --> 00:22:59,600
kinds of amazing things and all

576
00:23:10,870 --> 00:23:08,390
acquisition of the information as well

577
00:23:12,710 --> 00:23:10,880
as the slicing and dicing you know by

578
00:23:14,870 --> 00:23:12,720
the software it literally takes five

579
00:23:17,190 --> 00:23:14,880
minutes it literally takes five minutes

580
00:23:19,430 --> 00:23:17,200
and so what we do with this

581
00:23:21,350 --> 00:23:19,440
we work very very very closely with bill

582
00:23:24,870 --> 00:23:21,360
bankston with us

583
00:23:28,470 --> 00:23:24,880
we really are his uh one of two of his

584
00:23:30,230 --> 00:23:28,480
major unofficial clinical data arms of

585
00:23:32,549 --> 00:23:30,240
original research

586
00:23:35,830 --> 00:23:32,559
and so uh we

587
00:23:39,750 --> 00:23:35,840
try and capture this information on as

588
00:23:40,549 --> 00:23:39,760
many patients clients as we possibly can

589
00:23:44,310 --> 00:23:40,559
we

590
00:23:46,070 --> 00:23:44,320
comes in and says i don't feel good what

591
00:23:48,710 --> 00:23:46,080
do you guys think is wrong with me we're

592
00:23:51,270 --> 00:23:48,720
not physicians we cannot diagnose but we

593
00:23:53,270 --> 00:23:51,280
can use this tool to say well according

594
00:23:54,630 --> 00:23:53,280
to this you know your liver is not so

595
00:23:57,510 --> 00:23:54,640
good and blah blah blah and this and

596
00:23:59,669 --> 00:23:57,520
that so um but

597
00:24:02,789 --> 00:23:59,679
here when you say according to this what

598
00:24:04,789 --> 00:24:02,799
i'm saying to the gdp visualization

599
00:24:06,950 --> 00:24:04,799
analysis yeah according to you yeah

600
00:24:08,549 --> 00:24:06,960
according to your meridian information

601
00:24:10,710 --> 00:24:08,559
that we captured

602
00:24:12,950 --> 00:24:10,720
moreover what i hear you saying is that

603
00:24:16,310 --> 00:24:12,960
you know you have this device that

604
00:24:17,909 --> 00:24:16,320
reliably collects some biometric data

605
00:24:20,549 --> 00:24:17,919
right so whatever

606
00:24:23,190 --> 00:24:20,559
whatever somebody thinks about that data

607
00:24:23,909 --> 00:24:23,200
we can probably come to some agreement

608
00:24:27,430 --> 00:24:23,919
that

609
00:24:29,430 --> 00:24:27,440
this device reliably and consistently

610
00:24:30,789 --> 00:24:29,440
collects this data and then what it's

611
00:24:32,549 --> 00:24:30,799
doing apparently from what you're

612
00:24:35,669 --> 00:24:32,559
telling me is it

613
00:24:38,390 --> 00:24:35,679
then goes into its database of

614
00:24:40,230 --> 00:24:38,400
of the huge database that it has of

615
00:24:42,390 --> 00:24:40,240
people with different

616
00:24:43,510 --> 00:24:42,400
reported conditions and ailments and

617
00:24:45,750 --> 00:24:43,520
matches

618
00:24:47,830 --> 00:24:45,760
whether or not those biometrics meet

619
00:24:50,230 --> 00:24:47,840
certain criteria for the for that data

620
00:24:51,990 --> 00:24:50,240
so it's it's i think it sounds a little

621
00:24:54,310 --> 00:24:52,000
bit more

622
00:24:56,870 --> 00:24:54,320
smoke and mirrors-ish than i think it is

623
00:24:57,830 --> 00:24:56,880
it's like anything it's like getting

624
00:24:59,669 --> 00:24:57,840
your

625
00:25:01,510 --> 00:24:59,679
blood pressure taken right and they say

626
00:25:02,789 --> 00:25:01,520
okay well you know here's your blood

627
00:25:04,710 --> 00:25:02,799
pressure and then they go compare that

628
00:25:06,950 --> 00:25:04,720
with the database and they say gee

629
00:25:09,029 --> 00:25:06,960
people of your age of your health

630
00:25:11,110 --> 00:25:09,039
generally are in this range you're not

631
00:25:13,269 --> 00:25:11,120
in this range experience has told us

632
00:25:14,390 --> 00:25:13,279
that means this and it sounds like

633
00:25:16,390 --> 00:25:14,400
you're doing

634
00:25:18,630 --> 00:25:16,400
somewhat similar to that right

635
00:25:21,510 --> 00:25:18,640
yeah it is somewhat similar to that and

636
00:25:24,710 --> 00:25:21,520
uh and i yes yes that's right because he

637
00:25:26,310 --> 00:25:24,720
the the russian man karatkov his name

638
00:25:30,390 --> 00:25:26,320
his last name is duck

639
00:25:32,630 --> 00:25:30,400
his name is dr karat khan he has spent

640
00:25:33,990 --> 00:25:32,640
well he personally probably spent 18 to

641
00:25:36,870 --> 00:25:34,000
20 years

642
00:25:39,430 --> 00:25:36,880
collecting that data and analyzing that

643
00:25:42,710 --> 00:25:39,440
data and creating the software base that

644
00:25:45,510 --> 00:25:42,720
is now an analytical tool for everyone

645
00:25:47,190 --> 00:25:45,520
but the great advantage not only can we

646
00:25:49,350 --> 00:25:47,200
you just say always come on down and

647
00:25:52,310 --> 00:25:49,360
we'll tell you about how you look

648
00:25:54,710 --> 00:25:52,320
even better we can say alex you let me

649
00:25:56,390 --> 00:25:54,720
let let us just take your data up here's

650
00:25:58,630 --> 00:25:56,400
your data there you go you look a little

651
00:26:01,269 --> 00:25:58,640
low in the whatever whatever area now

652
00:26:02,789 --> 00:26:01,279
let us do a bankston treatment on you

653
00:26:05,830 --> 00:26:02,799
for an hour

654
00:26:07,190 --> 00:26:05,840
okay great now let us take your data

655
00:26:09,029 --> 00:26:07,200
again

656
00:26:12,390 --> 00:26:09,039
this is where

657
00:26:14,070 --> 00:26:12,400
the hugely important work comes in that

658
00:26:17,909 --> 00:26:14,080
we try and do

659
00:26:20,230 --> 00:26:17,919
we trust this machine to be accurate we

660
00:26:22,549 --> 00:26:20,240
trust all of the research we trust all

661
00:26:23,350 --> 00:26:22,559
of the users around the world who use

662
00:26:26,230 --> 00:26:23,360
this

663
00:26:29,269 --> 00:26:26,240
in clinical applications and say okay we

664
00:26:32,230 --> 00:26:29,279
want to show you exactly

665
00:26:34,230 --> 00:26:32,240
what this one therapy did for you today

666
00:26:36,870 --> 00:26:34,240
just now before and after

667
00:26:38,950 --> 00:26:36,880
that is what is so exciting to us

668
00:26:41,190 --> 00:26:38,960
and there are absolutely different what

669
00:26:43,510 --> 00:26:41,200
i would call energetic or frequency

670
00:26:46,390 --> 00:26:43,520
signatures to the therapies there are

671
00:26:48,549 --> 00:26:46,400
absolutely different effects on people

672
00:26:52,390 --> 00:26:48,559
there's a hugely different

673
00:26:54,630 --> 00:26:52,400
visible we made visible analysis of what

674
00:26:56,950 --> 00:26:54,640
reiki does for example compared to what

675
00:26:59,190 --> 00:26:56,960
bingston does you know compared to

676
00:27:01,830 --> 00:26:59,200
chronic healing compared to all of these

677
00:27:03,830 --> 00:27:01,840
different things but we can show people

678
00:27:06,310 --> 00:27:03,840
you know a lot here's the thing

679
00:27:09,029 --> 00:27:06,320
you know we put our hands on people and

680
00:27:11,029 --> 00:27:09,039
uh after the therapy is over everyone

681
00:27:13,190 --> 00:27:11,039
always feels relaxed they might have an

682
00:27:15,669 --> 00:27:13,200
emotional release their pain might go

683
00:27:17,350 --> 00:27:15,679
away and they say i feel so much better

684
00:27:18,950 --> 00:27:17,360
thinks that's great that's wonderful

685
00:27:20,710 --> 00:27:18,960
that's the whole point but that's a

686
00:27:26,230 --> 00:27:20,720
subjective

687
00:27:29,510 --> 00:27:26,240
there's nothing that we can say okay

688
00:27:31,510 --> 00:27:29,520
we're so happy you feel better but with

689
00:27:33,510 --> 00:27:31,520
this we can say okay we're happy you

690
00:27:36,470 --> 00:27:33,520
feel better and

691
00:27:38,710 --> 00:27:36,480
look at how much more your heart uh

692
00:27:41,269 --> 00:27:38,720
energy has come back to your whole you

693
00:27:43,510 --> 00:27:41,279
know our arterial system has come back

694
00:27:46,710 --> 00:27:43,520
into alignment with where it's supposed

695
00:27:49,029 --> 00:27:46,720
to be look look how much less stress you

696
00:27:50,789 --> 00:27:49,039
have in your body based on your hormonal

697
00:27:53,590 --> 00:27:50,799
responses all that kind of stuff

698
00:27:55,750 --> 00:27:53,600
that is what we are really excited about

699
00:27:57,990 --> 00:27:55,760
because you know it's human nature we

700
00:28:00,310 --> 00:27:58,000
don't trust what we can't see it is you

701
00:28:02,149 --> 00:28:00,320
know that's why we use cell phones even

702
00:28:04,870 --> 00:28:02,159
though that we do have all kinds of

703
00:28:06,630 --> 00:28:04,880
information of how much damage they do

704
00:28:08,230 --> 00:28:06,640
to the brain depending on how powerful

705
00:28:09,430 --> 00:28:08,240
they are but anyway

706
00:28:12,149 --> 00:28:09,440
the point is

707
00:28:14,710 --> 00:28:12,159
it's wonderful to be able to hold out

708
00:28:17,830 --> 00:28:14,720
something visible for people to see and

709
00:28:20,149 --> 00:28:17,840
say oh no wonder i feel so much better

710
00:28:21,110 --> 00:28:20,159
or no wonder i feel so relaxed that's

711
00:28:23,590 --> 00:28:21,120
great

712
00:28:25,990 --> 00:28:23,600
and that's why all of the data all of

713
00:28:28,310 --> 00:28:26,000
the research collected on our website

714
00:28:29,269 --> 00:28:28,320
and from what some people you know would

715
00:28:31,990 --> 00:28:29,279
call

716
00:28:33,590 --> 00:28:32,000
especially reliable sources the national

717
00:28:35,110 --> 00:28:33,600
institute of health the feds you know

718
00:28:38,710 --> 00:28:35,120
the federal government

719
00:28:40,470 --> 00:28:38,720
for example has a whole arm

720
00:28:43,029 --> 00:28:40,480
under its under its control that

721
00:28:44,950 --> 00:28:43,039
researches it's called a national center

722
00:28:45,990 --> 00:28:44,960
for complementary and alternative

723
00:28:47,190 --> 00:28:46,000
medicine

724
00:28:49,669 --> 00:28:47,200
they

725
00:28:51,190 --> 00:28:49,679
very religiously research all kinds of

726
00:28:53,750 --> 00:28:51,200
stuff nutrition

727
00:28:55,830 --> 00:28:53,760
vitamins energy therapies whatever on

728
00:28:57,350 --> 00:28:55,840
average they spend a million dollars

729
00:29:00,070 --> 00:28:57,360
every year

730
00:29:01,430 --> 00:29:00,080
just researching reiki one of our

731
00:29:04,310 --> 00:29:01,440
primary

732
00:29:06,789 --> 00:29:04,320
most wonderful most egalitarian forms of

733
00:29:07,669 --> 00:29:06,799
energy therapy that anyone can learn

734
00:29:09,990 --> 00:29:07,679
so

735
00:29:12,710 --> 00:29:10,000
that is really where where we're coming

736
00:29:14,789 --> 00:29:12,720
from we all know as practicing

737
00:29:17,669 --> 00:29:14,799
therapists and most of us have had the

738
00:29:19,510 --> 00:29:17,679
experience of life-changing events that

739
00:29:21,590 --> 00:29:19,520
led us in this direction in the first

740
00:29:24,070 --> 00:29:21,600
place which is why we do it

741
00:29:26,389 --> 00:29:24,080
and so we are walking the talk we are

742
00:29:28,549 --> 00:29:26,399
living proof that it works but just

743
00:29:31,190 --> 00:29:28,559
because i know it works doesn't mean i

744
00:29:35,110 --> 00:29:31,200
can prove to you that it works and so

745
00:29:37,269 --> 00:29:35,120
what we are all about is only using

746
00:29:39,269 --> 00:29:37,279
only bringing to the public's attention

747
00:29:41,590 --> 00:29:39,279
only offering

748
00:29:43,990 --> 00:29:41,600
proven therapies

749
00:29:46,789 --> 00:29:44,000
as well as training in those therapies

750
00:29:49,350 --> 00:29:46,799
and bill of course bill bankston fits in

751
00:29:51,590 --> 00:29:49,360
exquisitely because he has 30 years of

752
00:29:52,630 --> 00:29:51,600
mouse research okay 30 years of animal

753
00:29:54,789 --> 00:29:52,640
studies

754
00:29:56,870 --> 00:29:54,799
perfect now what we are doing is

755
00:29:59,510 --> 00:29:56,880
amplifying his research base with

756
00:30:03,750 --> 00:29:59,520
clinical studies for people who come to

757
00:30:06,350 --> 00:30:03,760
us with human human problems cancer and

758
00:30:08,710 --> 00:30:06,360
alzheimer's cataracts uh

759
00:30:10,549 --> 00:30:08,720
gastrointestinal disorders all those are

760
00:30:12,230 --> 00:30:10,559
all things bankston method works

761
00:30:15,029 --> 00:30:12,240
phenomenally well for

762
00:30:17,029 --> 00:30:15,039
okay let's talk a little bit about dr

763
00:30:18,470 --> 00:30:17,039
bankston then i know that he was

764
00:30:22,389 --> 00:30:18,480
recently there

765
00:30:23,909 --> 00:30:22,399
at e3 and did a seminar with a bunch of

766
00:30:25,590 --> 00:30:23,919
folks and i want to hear more about that

767
00:30:26,789 --> 00:30:25,600
but let's fill people in on a little bit

768
00:30:30,789 --> 00:30:26,799
on the details

769
00:30:32,950 --> 00:30:30,799
he was on skeptical a while back he is

770
00:30:35,269 --> 00:30:32,960
in addition to being this kind of

771
00:30:37,350 --> 00:30:35,279
maverick academic who just really more

772
00:30:39,110 --> 00:30:37,360
or less stumbled into energy healing it

773
00:30:41,430 --> 00:30:39,120
wasn't his primary discipline it wasn't

774
00:30:44,389 --> 00:30:41,440
his area he was just one of these

775
00:30:47,830 --> 00:30:44,399
guys i really love that about him is he

776
00:30:50,470 --> 00:30:47,840
was just curious and unwilling to let go

777
00:30:53,590 --> 00:30:50,480
of a question that seemed to be pursued

778
00:30:55,190 --> 00:30:53,600
so he ran across this phenomena through

779
00:30:57,430 --> 00:30:55,200
some gentleman who

780
00:30:58,789 --> 00:30:57,440
was able to do this energy healing and

781
00:31:00,950 --> 00:30:58,799
he was just kind of curious she's like

782
00:31:02,870 --> 00:31:00,960
wow you know let's see how far i can

783
00:31:05,830 --> 00:31:02,880
push this let's see how far i can take

784
00:31:07,909 --> 00:31:05,840
this he was a true scientist a true uh

785
00:31:09,430 --> 00:31:07,919
he is a true scientist but in this case

786
00:31:11,510 --> 00:31:09,440
he demonstrated just this

787
00:31:14,070 --> 00:31:11,520
open-mindedness that says i'm going to

788
00:31:15,750 --> 00:31:14,080
keep testing this guy until he fails if

789
00:31:17,990 --> 00:31:15,760
you listen to banks and that's really

790
00:31:19,350 --> 00:31:18,000
his story he said yeah that's right i'm

791
00:31:22,070 --> 00:31:19,360
going to keep testing this guy till he

792
00:31:23,590 --> 00:31:22,080
fails and he didn't fail and it

793
00:31:26,710 --> 00:31:23,600
eventually led to

794
00:31:29,269 --> 00:31:26,720
as you just alluded to a most amazing

795
00:31:31,430 --> 00:31:29,279
experiment that he did at a new york

796
00:31:34,789 --> 00:31:31,440
university where they did an experiment

797
00:31:37,029 --> 00:31:34,799
on rats that had been injected with

798
00:31:39,110 --> 00:31:37,039
cancer which is a horrible sounding

799
00:31:40,950 --> 00:31:39,120
thing that we would do to an animal but

800
00:31:43,669 --> 00:31:40,960
we do this all the time it's part of

801
00:31:45,190 --> 00:31:43,679
cancer research and these rats have been

802
00:31:47,669 --> 00:31:45,200
bred to the point where they are

803
00:31:50,230 --> 00:31:47,679
predictably and reliably

804
00:31:51,909 --> 00:31:50,240
dying of cancer after

805
00:31:53,269 --> 00:31:51,919
so many days i think in his case it was

806
00:31:55,830 --> 00:31:53,279
21 days

807
00:31:58,070 --> 00:31:55,840
and bankston went ahead and in this

808
00:32:01,029 --> 00:31:58,080
clinically controlled very

809
00:32:03,269 --> 00:32:01,039
properly done experiment

810
00:32:05,990 --> 00:32:03,279
did this hands-on not even hands-on

811
00:32:07,190 --> 00:32:06,000
hands above the cage energy healing and

812
00:32:09,269 --> 00:32:07,200
the rats

813
00:32:12,549 --> 00:32:09,279
not only went into remission but were

814
00:32:14,230 --> 00:32:12,559
cured and lived out their natural life

815
00:32:16,630 --> 00:32:14,240
something that really the the

816
00:32:18,389 --> 00:32:16,640
researchers who are doing cancer

817
00:32:21,590 --> 00:32:18,399
research associated with the university

818
00:32:24,149 --> 00:32:21,600
said they had never seen before so

819
00:32:25,590 --> 00:32:24,159
that's really dr bankston's story and he

820
00:32:27,350 --> 00:32:25,600
continues to be

821
00:32:28,950 --> 00:32:27,360
this kind of

822
00:32:30,710 --> 00:32:28,960
all-around

823
00:32:32,310 --> 00:32:30,720
scientific guy who's interested in a lot

824
00:32:34,549 --> 00:32:32,320
of different things he's the current

825
00:32:36,389 --> 00:32:34,559
president of the society for scientific

826
00:32:38,950 --> 00:32:36,399
exploration that if anyone knows about

827
00:32:42,470 --> 00:32:38,960
that wonderful organization they

828
00:32:45,509 --> 00:32:42,480
investigate all manner of kind of

829
00:32:47,669 --> 00:32:45,519
science that doesn't fit normally into

830
00:32:48,950 --> 00:32:47,679
conventional paradigms of how things

831
00:32:50,630 --> 00:32:48,960
should work so he's really a kind of

832
00:32:52,710 --> 00:32:50,640
broad-minded guy

833
00:32:54,710 --> 00:32:52,720
and i just wanted to fill people in a

834
00:32:57,350 --> 00:32:54,720
little bit on that background tell us

835
00:32:59,509 --> 00:32:57,360
then a little bit about your experience

836
00:33:01,990 --> 00:32:59,519
with dr bankston and in particular as

837
00:33:03,990 --> 00:33:02,000
you just alluded to the bankston therapy

838
00:33:05,269 --> 00:33:04,000
and and how you've seen it work in your

839
00:33:07,029 --> 00:33:05,279
practice

840
00:33:09,110 --> 00:33:07,039
great thank you first of all you know

841
00:33:11,190 --> 00:33:09,120
one of the things i wanted to mention i

842
00:33:13,029 --> 00:33:11,200
wanted to circle back around to the very

843
00:33:15,269 --> 00:33:13,039
beginning when we talked about mind-body

844
00:33:17,509 --> 00:33:15,279
medicine and the role of consciousness

845
00:33:18,230 --> 00:33:17,519
dr bangston's work

846
00:33:23,990 --> 00:33:18,240
is

847
00:33:26,070 --> 00:33:24,000
i found him 10 years ago i saw

848
00:33:28,870 --> 00:33:26,080
some of his mouse experiments published

849
00:33:30,310 --> 00:33:28,880
in in peer-reviewed journals

850
00:33:32,070 --> 00:33:30,320
jaw-dropping

851
00:33:34,630 --> 00:33:32,080
proof that that

852
00:33:36,630 --> 00:33:34,640
consciousness a conscious belief in

853
00:33:39,590 --> 00:33:36,640
something a conscious awareness of

854
00:33:40,870 --> 00:33:39,600
something is not required for energy

855
00:33:42,950 --> 00:33:40,880
therapy okay

856
00:33:44,870 --> 00:33:42,960
these are mice now you know i don't know

857
00:33:46,149 --> 00:33:44,880
a lot about mouth consciousness but i'm

858
00:33:48,230 --> 00:33:46,159
pretty sure

859
00:33:49,830 --> 00:33:48,240
it's not like hey minnie who's that guy

860
00:33:51,590 --> 00:33:49,840
putting his hands on the cage i don't

861
00:33:53,990 --> 00:33:51,600
believe that anything is going to happen

862
00:33:56,149 --> 00:33:54,000
oh mickey just do oh you know don't

863
00:33:57,830 --> 00:33:56,159
worry he's a nice man just have faith

864
00:33:59,990 --> 00:33:57,840
just have faith and imagine those little

865
00:34:02,630 --> 00:34:00,000
white those little white cells dying

866
00:34:05,110 --> 00:34:02,640
right away all right right exactly none

867
00:34:06,710 --> 00:34:05,120
of that is required none of that is

868
00:34:08,950 --> 00:34:06,720
required and as a matter of fact it's

869
00:34:11,030 --> 00:34:08,960
it's really interesting if there is any

870
00:34:13,270 --> 00:34:11,040
relationship between consciousness and

871
00:34:15,909 --> 00:34:13,280
therapy i so far

872
00:34:17,750 --> 00:34:15,919
based on um based on everything i've

873
00:34:19,510 --> 00:34:17,760
seen with all our therapies i would say

874
00:34:21,589 --> 00:34:19,520
the consciousness gets in the way of

875
00:34:23,589 --> 00:34:21,599
healing to be honest with you because

876
00:34:25,589 --> 00:34:23,599
with the bankston method and other

877
00:34:27,829 --> 00:34:25,599
methods interestingly

878
00:34:29,990 --> 00:34:27,839
a hundred percent of success as we've

879
00:34:31,589 --> 00:34:30,000
had is with our own animals you have

880
00:34:33,190 --> 00:34:31,599
dogs who are sick and stuff like that in

881
00:34:35,109 --> 00:34:33,200
alzheimer's patients isn't that

882
00:34:37,510 --> 00:34:35,119
interesting because there is no

883
00:34:40,230 --> 00:34:37,520
consciousness to get in the way

884
00:34:42,230 --> 00:34:40,240
um but anyway that's that's more details

885
00:34:44,310 --> 00:34:42,240
but but you do not need to believe you

886
00:34:47,349 --> 00:34:44,320
do not need to have faith it is the

887
00:34:49,030 --> 00:34:47,359
example i give all the time what is

888
00:34:50,310 --> 00:34:49,040
energy healing like what's a good

889
00:34:52,790 --> 00:34:50,320
analogy

890
00:34:54,470 --> 00:34:52,800
it's like if you take a can of coke out

891
00:34:55,990 --> 00:34:54,480
of the refrigerator put on the kitchen

892
00:34:59,349 --> 00:34:56,000
table

893
00:35:02,310 --> 00:34:59,359
very shortly room temperature the larger

894
00:35:04,150 --> 00:35:02,320
field the larger field will rebalance

895
00:35:06,710 --> 00:35:04,160
the can of coke so that it is now the

896
00:35:09,349 --> 00:35:06,720
same temperature as room temperature

897
00:35:11,750 --> 00:35:09,359
really it's that simple in a nutshell

898
00:35:13,910 --> 00:35:11,760
the can of coke does not have to believe

899
00:35:16,310 --> 00:35:13,920
in the room temperature it does not to

900
00:35:18,069 --> 00:35:16,320
have have faith in the room temperature

901
00:35:19,750 --> 00:35:18,079
it doesn't have to ask the room

902
00:35:22,230 --> 00:35:19,760
temperature to bring it to room

903
00:35:24,790 --> 00:35:22,240
temperature automatically

904
00:35:28,069 --> 00:35:24,800
the larger field room temperature brings

905
00:35:30,150 --> 00:35:28,079
that can of coke into equalized balance

906
00:35:31,910 --> 00:35:30,160
that is what energy therapy does and i

907
00:35:34,390 --> 00:35:31,920
think that's what the all of the

908
00:35:35,670 --> 00:35:34,400
bankston research and animal research

909
00:35:37,670 --> 00:35:35,680
proves you

910
00:35:40,310 --> 00:35:37,680
none no belief no consciousness no

911
00:35:41,829 --> 00:35:40,320
efforting anything is required and as a

912
00:35:43,589 --> 00:35:41,839
matter of fact don't think about it

913
00:35:46,550 --> 00:35:43,599
don't let it get in the way

914
00:35:48,470 --> 00:35:46,560
so dr bankston is maybe the most

915
00:35:49,670 --> 00:35:48,480
remarkable person i've ever met and

916
00:35:52,550 --> 00:35:49,680
worked with

917
00:35:55,430 --> 00:35:52,560
we are huge fans of his

918
00:35:58,150 --> 00:35:55,440
we're members of the ssc also

919
00:35:59,349 --> 00:35:58,160
his his hall therapy is what we are all

920
00:36:01,750 --> 00:35:59,359
about

921
00:36:04,069 --> 00:36:01,760
in terms of what is the potential what

922
00:36:06,710 --> 00:36:04,079
what our interest is what is the

923
00:36:10,230 --> 00:36:06,720
potential of all this stuff proven

924
00:36:12,390 --> 00:36:10,240
potential for helping people main

925
00:36:15,030 --> 00:36:12,400
equilibrium right maintain equilibrium

926
00:36:17,270 --> 00:36:15,040
maintain a stress-free life maintain

927
00:36:19,829 --> 00:36:17,280
balance tell us all that kind of stuff

928
00:36:21,829 --> 00:36:19,839
all energy medicine therapies energy

929
00:36:23,990 --> 00:36:21,839
therapies are comparable in certain ways

930
00:36:25,510 --> 00:36:24,000
but dr bangston's therapy the bengston

931
00:36:26,550 --> 00:36:25,520
method of therapy is completely

932
00:36:29,430 --> 00:36:26,560
different

933
00:36:32,310 --> 00:36:29,440
it is not a what i would call a gentle

934
00:36:33,910 --> 00:36:32,320
energy therapy i'm trained in

935
00:36:35,270 --> 00:36:33,920
more than a dozen different therapies

936
00:36:36,950 --> 00:36:35,280
most of the people who work at

937
00:36:39,030 --> 00:36:36,960
equilibrium are

938
00:36:40,710 --> 00:36:39,040
and when you're a therapist

939
00:36:43,349 --> 00:36:40,720
you you become

940
00:36:45,109 --> 00:36:43,359
very sensitive to the different energies

941
00:36:46,710 --> 00:36:45,119
moving through you one therapy feels

942
00:36:49,349 --> 00:36:46,720
like this another therapy feels like

943
00:36:51,990 --> 00:36:49,359
that you you just become more sensitive

944
00:36:54,630 --> 00:36:52,000
to to the sensation of it

945
00:36:57,030 --> 00:36:54,640
i will tell you that um

946
00:36:59,910 --> 00:36:57,040
reiki is one of the gentlest therapies

947
00:37:02,630 --> 00:36:59,920
reiki is like a like a very very gentle

948
00:37:03,910 --> 00:37:02,640
mountain stream very gentle energy

949
00:37:07,109 --> 00:37:03,920
moving through moving through moving

950
00:37:09,109 --> 00:37:07,119
through bangsten method is like niagara

951
00:37:11,990 --> 00:37:09,119
fall on steroids

952
00:37:14,550 --> 00:37:12,000
the power of this energy wherever it's

953
00:37:17,430 --> 00:37:14,560
from whatever it is however it started

954
00:37:20,630 --> 00:37:17,440
in the first place who knows but i'll

955
00:37:22,790 --> 00:37:20,640
tell you the power of it is unlike any

956
00:37:24,710 --> 00:37:22,800
other energy therapy we are familiar

957
00:37:26,710 --> 00:37:24,720
with and we're familiar with almost all

958
00:37:28,710 --> 00:37:26,720
of them

959
00:37:30,710 --> 00:37:28,720
so bernadette tell me this let's shift

960
00:37:32,550 --> 00:37:30,720
gears for a minute here because what

961
00:37:34,790 --> 00:37:32,560
we're actually going to do here and i'm

962
00:37:37,190 --> 00:37:34,800
very excited about it and it's a little

963
00:37:39,910 --> 00:37:37,200
bit of a departure from what we've done

964
00:37:41,030 --> 00:37:39,920
in the past on this show is i'm actually

965
00:37:41,990 --> 00:37:41,040
going to

966
00:37:44,390 --> 00:37:42,000
get

967
00:37:46,150 --> 00:37:44,400
a therapy a therap a series of

968
00:37:49,349 --> 00:37:46,160
therapeutic treatments

969
00:37:52,230 --> 00:37:49,359
from e3 from equilibrium e3

970
00:37:53,270 --> 00:37:52,240
to help me with the condition and i'm

971
00:37:58,790 --> 00:37:53,280
going to

972
00:38:00,069 --> 00:37:58,800
would be appropriate and but i am going

973
00:38:03,270 --> 00:38:00,079
to share

974
00:38:05,510 --> 00:38:03,280
some of that process with folks as i go

975
00:38:07,030 --> 00:38:05,520
through it and what the results

976
00:38:09,910 --> 00:38:07,040
might be so

977
00:38:12,150 --> 00:38:09,920
for me i really would like to do

978
00:38:13,030 --> 00:38:12,160
the the bankston therapy

979
00:38:15,109 --> 00:38:13,040
and

980
00:38:16,790 --> 00:38:15,119
i i for all the reasons that we've just

981
00:38:18,310 --> 00:38:16,800
said and talked about and because i do

982
00:38:21,589 --> 00:38:18,320
have that personal experience and this

983
00:38:23,750 --> 00:38:21,599
is for me both i i do have a health

984
00:38:26,550 --> 00:38:23,760
issue that i want to address and at the

985
00:38:29,349 --> 00:38:26,560
same time i want to explore this more

986
00:38:32,230 --> 00:38:29,359
fully because as anyone who's listened

987
00:38:34,550 --> 00:38:32,240
to the show knows this exploration of

988
00:38:36,550 --> 00:38:34,560
the larger questions of consciousness

989
00:38:38,710 --> 00:38:36,560
and are as a human being our

990
00:38:41,030 --> 00:38:38,720
relationship to consciousness and

991
00:38:44,069 --> 00:38:41,040
extended consciousness is really at the

992
00:38:46,470 --> 00:38:44,079
core of the of of what i'm interested in

993
00:38:48,710 --> 00:38:46,480
doing so with that

994
00:38:51,190 --> 00:38:48,720
let's shift gears for a minute and why

995
00:38:52,470 --> 00:38:51,200
don't you tell me as someone who is

996
00:38:55,190 --> 00:38:52,480
preparing

997
00:38:56,870 --> 00:38:55,200
for a bankston therapy

998
00:38:59,589 --> 00:38:56,880
what you would tell me and what i need

999
00:39:01,030 --> 00:38:59,599
to know and and ask any questions that

1000
00:39:03,349 --> 00:39:01,040
you would ask

1001
00:39:05,349 --> 00:39:03,359
great very good so um when someone says

1002
00:39:07,510 --> 00:39:05,359
i'd like to do bank stim therapy where

1003
00:39:09,670 --> 00:39:07,520
there's actually a whole of their very

1004
00:39:11,270 --> 00:39:09,680
long email that says frequently asked

1005
00:39:14,069 --> 00:39:11,280
questions about

1006
00:39:16,390 --> 00:39:14,079
um bankston therapy that we send them so

1007
00:39:18,390 --> 00:39:16,400
we will be sending you that and there's

1008
00:39:20,310 --> 00:39:18,400
there's a couple of things to know in

1009
00:39:22,230 --> 00:39:20,320
advance first of all

1010
00:39:24,550 --> 00:39:22,240
it seems to us and i and i'm going to

1011
00:39:26,470 --> 00:39:24,560
give a slightly broader foundation here

1012
00:39:28,710 --> 00:39:26,480
there's there's a whole branch that i'm

1013
00:39:30,870 --> 00:39:28,720
sure you're very familiar with of a new

1014
00:39:33,550 --> 00:39:30,880
branch about 12 years old now i think it

1015
00:39:35,589 --> 00:39:33,560
is of medicine called

1016
00:39:37,670 --> 00:39:35,599
psychoneuroimmunology you can actually

1017
00:39:41,030 --> 00:39:37,680
now be trained to be a physician who is

1018
00:39:43,190 --> 00:39:41,040
a psychoneuro immunologist and

1019
00:39:44,310 --> 00:39:43,200
immunology or tons of research on this

1020
00:39:46,470 --> 00:39:44,320
is um

1021
00:39:49,109 --> 00:39:46,480
the relationship of

1022
00:39:52,390 --> 00:39:49,119
thoughts and emotions to physical

1023
00:39:55,190 --> 00:39:52,400
disease and pretty much everybody even

1024
00:39:58,150 --> 00:39:55,200
even in the straight straight strict

1025
00:40:00,069 --> 00:39:58,160
western medical community now

1026
00:40:03,030 --> 00:40:00,079
understands and believes that at least

1027
00:40:05,349 --> 00:40:03,040
80 90 percent maybe more of physical

1028
00:40:08,950 --> 00:40:05,359
diseases

1029
00:40:12,150 --> 00:40:08,960
have an underlying emotional component

1030
00:40:14,230 --> 00:40:12,160
and so um the first thing the bankston

1031
00:40:17,950 --> 00:40:14,240
method does

1032
00:40:20,310 --> 00:40:17,960
is collapse whatever the emotional

1033
00:40:23,910 --> 00:40:20,320
infrastructure is whatever the emotional

1034
00:40:26,390 --> 00:40:23,920
scaffolding is that might have allowed

1035
00:40:30,150 --> 00:40:26,400
um the biochemical

1036
00:40:33,829 --> 00:40:30,160
platform for a disease to manifest okay

1037
00:40:37,270 --> 00:40:33,839
so what that means is after you know it

1038
00:40:40,470 --> 00:40:37,280
it is very very very common

1039
00:40:43,030 --> 00:40:40,480
for i would say 99.9 percent of the time

1040
00:40:44,870 --> 00:40:43,040
for people who are receiving bankston

1041
00:40:47,109 --> 00:40:44,880
therapy two things happen they have

1042
00:40:48,790 --> 00:40:47,119
tremendous emotional releases

1043
00:40:50,950 --> 00:40:48,800
immediately like the day after the

1044
00:40:52,710 --> 00:40:50,960
treatment you may feel suddenly

1045
00:40:54,710 --> 00:40:52,720
overwhelmingly sad suddenly

1046
00:40:56,470 --> 00:40:54,720
overwhelmingly angry

1047
00:40:58,470 --> 00:40:56,480
all kinds of different things for no

1048
00:41:00,630 --> 00:40:58,480
apparent reason the reason is the

1049
00:41:03,349 --> 00:41:00,640
bankston method is working on that

1050
00:41:05,990 --> 00:41:03,359
emotional scaffolding first

1051
00:41:07,030 --> 00:41:06,000
because the physical disease is unlikely

1052
00:41:09,510 --> 00:41:07,040
to be

1053
00:41:11,910 --> 00:41:09,520
strongly helped unless that emotional

1054
00:41:13,030 --> 00:41:11,920
scaffolding is gone you'll just it will

1055
00:41:15,190 --> 00:41:13,040
just come back

1056
00:41:18,150 --> 00:41:15,200
the other way people experience the

1057
00:41:21,910 --> 00:41:18,160
release of that emotional infrastructure

1058
00:41:24,470 --> 00:41:21,920
is through dreams it appears to us

1059
00:41:27,109 --> 00:41:24,480
that dreams are an extremely

1060
00:41:29,190 --> 00:41:27,119
uh efficient evacuation route for

1061
00:41:31,990 --> 00:41:29,200
emotions and

1062
00:41:33,430 --> 00:41:32,000
a lot of people especially the first few

1063
00:41:35,670 --> 00:41:33,440
nights after

1064
00:41:40,150 --> 00:41:35,680
the first treatment or two will have

1065
00:41:42,870 --> 00:41:40,160
dreams about long-standing emotional

1066
00:41:45,750 --> 00:41:42,880
set points people who are very fearful

1067
00:41:46,550 --> 00:41:45,760
have a lot of fearful dreams people who

1068
00:41:49,430 --> 00:41:46,560
are

1069
00:41:51,510 --> 00:41:49,440
angry have a lot of hostile dreams very

1070
00:41:54,950 --> 00:41:51,520
interesting we are complicated little

1071
00:41:56,790 --> 00:41:54,960
music boxes way more than we think about

1072
00:41:59,109 --> 00:41:56,800
on a day-to-day basis but the bangston

1073
00:42:01,510 --> 00:41:59,119
method helps us kind of slice and dice

1074
00:42:04,950 --> 00:42:01,520
what all these elements are so we tell

1075
00:42:08,550 --> 00:42:04,960
you to expect that we also tell you to

1076
00:42:11,589 --> 00:42:08,560
expect to be to feel the need for much

1077
00:42:14,470 --> 00:42:11,599
much more sleep than usual

1078
00:42:16,870 --> 00:42:14,480
we're not sure why that is a couple of

1079
00:42:19,270 --> 00:42:16,880
vernon and i conjecture that number one

1080
00:42:21,430 --> 00:42:19,280
because it's such a powerful therapy

1081
00:42:22,550 --> 00:42:21,440
it's doing it it's almost it's almost

1082
00:42:24,550 --> 00:42:22,560
like

1083
00:42:26,230 --> 00:42:24,560
running your systems in overdrive it's

1084
00:42:27,910 --> 00:42:26,240
like doing an eight-hour workout at the

1085
00:42:30,630 --> 00:42:27,920
gym and then just going home and

1086
00:42:33,190 --> 00:42:30,640
collapsing into sleep the other thing we

1087
00:42:36,150 --> 00:42:33,200
also think is that we

1088
00:42:38,710 --> 00:42:36,160
know and we have several clinical cases

1089
00:42:41,030 --> 00:42:38,720
where people's belief systems it's not

1090
00:42:43,829 --> 00:42:41,040
that they don't believe in the therapy

1091
00:42:47,430 --> 00:42:43,839
they have emotional they have limiting

1092
00:42:50,309 --> 00:42:47,440
belief systems where that we feel get in

1093
00:42:52,950 --> 00:42:50,319
the way of the energy helping

1094
00:42:55,670 --> 00:42:52,960
and so um

1095
00:42:57,670 --> 00:42:55,680
we believe that therapy also makes you

1096
00:42:59,829 --> 00:42:57,680
sleep because then your mind doesn't get

1097
00:43:01,190 --> 00:42:59,839
in the way and undo what the therapy is

1098
00:43:03,349 --> 00:43:01,200
trying to do

1099
00:43:05,510 --> 00:43:03,359
so we would tell you about that okay now

1100
00:43:07,190 --> 00:43:05,520
and and just to interject again i don't

1101
00:43:09,190 --> 00:43:07,200
have to believe any of that i don't have

1102
00:43:11,510 --> 00:43:09,200
to accept that that's going to happen i

1103
00:43:13,270 --> 00:43:11,520
don't have to try and make that happen i

1104
00:43:15,430 --> 00:43:13,280
can be skeptical that that's going to

1105
00:43:18,230 --> 00:43:15,440
happen i can say gee that probably won't

1106
00:43:20,710 --> 00:43:18,240
work for me which i think most people in

1107
00:43:23,990 --> 00:43:20,720
this situation are most

1108
00:43:25,670 --> 00:43:24,000
middle-aged men like myself with a

1109
00:43:27,910 --> 00:43:25,680
rather kind of traditional background

1110
00:43:29,190 --> 00:43:27,920
would say gee you know i i i kind of

1111
00:43:31,829 --> 00:43:29,200
have my doubts that this is going to

1112
00:43:34,309 --> 00:43:31,839
happen and all that's okay right oh yeah

1113
00:43:36,630 --> 00:43:34,319
absolutely without question 100 okay you

1114
00:43:38,230 --> 00:43:36,640
do not need to believe anything however

1115
00:43:40,069 --> 00:43:38,240
i will tell you

1116
00:43:41,430 --> 00:43:40,079
part of the way of generating the

1117
00:43:43,430 --> 00:43:41,440
therapy if you're trained in this

1118
00:43:45,750 --> 00:43:43,440
therapy there's something that bill

1119
00:43:48,630 --> 00:43:45,760
developed early on

1120
00:43:51,510 --> 00:43:48,640
um call is called image cycling

1121
00:43:52,790 --> 00:43:51,520
and and what it does this is a provable

1122
00:43:54,630 --> 00:43:52,800
thing now

1123
00:43:56,150 --> 00:43:54,640
if you are

1124
00:43:58,630 --> 00:43:56,160
interested in

1125
00:44:01,190 --> 00:43:58,640
helping yourself as we are trying to

1126
00:44:02,870 --> 00:44:01,200
help you we can you do not have to do

1127
00:44:04,390 --> 00:44:02,880
this you do not have to do this at all

1128
00:44:07,270 --> 00:44:04,400
but if you're interested there's

1129
00:44:08,950 --> 00:44:07,280
something called image cycling and

1130
00:44:12,230 --> 00:44:08,960
how i want to

1131
00:44:15,430 --> 00:44:12,240
describe this is most of us image cycle

1132
00:44:17,750 --> 00:44:15,440
all the time for the worse for example

1133
00:44:19,349 --> 00:44:17,760
it's like oh my god my boyfriend's going

1134
00:44:21,190 --> 00:44:19,359
to leave me oh my god my child isn't

1135
00:44:23,829 --> 00:44:21,200
going to get into harvard oh my god you

1136
00:44:26,790 --> 00:44:23,839
know the house is i'm gonna the house is

1137
00:44:29,910 --> 00:44:26,800
gonna be foreclosed is worry worry worry

1138
00:44:33,109 --> 00:44:29,920
worry worry okay most of us constantly

1139
00:44:35,510 --> 00:44:33,119
cycle those worrisome thoughts it is

1140
00:44:37,430 --> 00:44:35,520
proven that worrisome thought set out a

1141
00:44:40,870 --> 00:44:37,440
cortisol release that is like an acid

1142
00:44:43,670 --> 00:44:40,880
bath to the system so the more you worry

1143
00:44:45,910 --> 00:44:43,680
the more the stress hormone cortisol

1144
00:44:48,150 --> 00:44:45,920
affects all kinds of organs and systems

1145
00:44:50,710 --> 00:44:48,160
in your body and lowers and lowers and

1146
00:44:53,589 --> 00:44:50,720
lowers your immune response for people

1147
00:44:55,430 --> 00:44:53,599
we treat we offer the opportunity and

1148
00:44:57,030 --> 00:44:55,440
when we do our experiment alex it's up

1149
00:44:59,430 --> 00:44:57,040
to you you want to do this or not either

1150
00:45:01,990 --> 00:44:59,440
way is fine with me but we offer people

1151
00:45:04,550 --> 00:45:02,000
especially as having extremely serious

1152
00:45:06,270 --> 00:45:04,560
disease or diseases that we know are

1153
00:45:08,069 --> 00:45:06,280
really stress-based most

1154
00:45:10,390 --> 00:45:08,079
gastrointestinal diseases are

1155
00:45:12,790 --> 00:45:10,400
worry-based they're all fear-based

1156
00:45:14,390 --> 00:45:12,800
diseases for the most part

1157
00:45:16,309 --> 00:45:14,400
we offer you something called image

1158
00:45:18,790 --> 00:45:16,319
cycling it's bill's technique but

1159
00:45:20,150 --> 00:45:18,800
essentially in a nutshell is focusing on

1160
00:45:23,030 --> 00:45:20,160
the positive

1161
00:45:25,829 --> 00:45:23,040
and so what that does is if you want to

1162
00:45:28,390 --> 00:45:25,839
help yourself to have a proven immune

1163
00:45:30,870 --> 00:45:28,400
boost you can jump on board it is not

1164
00:45:32,950 --> 00:45:30,880
required it is not necessary but we

1165
00:45:35,190 --> 00:45:32,960
offer that it's something you want to do

1166
00:45:37,030 --> 00:45:35,200
or not do doesn't matter we'll help you

1167
00:45:37,990 --> 00:45:37,040
either way okay

1168
00:45:40,390 --> 00:45:38,000
um

1169
00:45:41,990 --> 00:45:40,400
let's see what else and the other thing

1170
00:45:43,750 --> 00:45:42,000
we we

1171
00:45:46,550 --> 00:45:43,760
generally prefer

1172
00:45:49,109 --> 00:45:46,560
to do the therapy at night simply

1173
00:45:51,109 --> 00:45:49,119
because you will probably fall asleep

1174
00:45:53,030 --> 00:45:51,119
within 5 or 10 minutes of my starting

1175
00:45:54,710 --> 00:45:53,040
the treatment if you want to take a nap

1176
00:45:57,430 --> 00:45:54,720
during the day that's totally fine we

1177
00:45:59,190 --> 00:45:57,440
could set it up but we always ask you to

1178
00:46:01,190 --> 00:45:59,200
be lying down whether you're on the

1179
00:46:02,950 --> 00:46:01,200
couch whether you're in bed you know

1180
00:46:04,950 --> 00:46:02,960
whatever we just don't want you to be

1181
00:46:06,309 --> 00:46:04,960
you know operating every machinery you

1182
00:46:07,829 --> 00:46:06,319
know we will be able to do this over the

1183
00:46:08,630 --> 00:46:07,839
phone right

1184
00:46:11,030 --> 00:46:08,640
uh

1185
00:46:13,829 --> 00:46:11,040
yes although it's not required you do we

1186
00:46:16,630 --> 00:46:13,839
don't need to be on the phone we can be

1187
00:46:18,710 --> 00:46:16,640
on the phone but a distance healing does

1188
00:46:20,870 --> 00:46:18,720
not require a physical connection like

1189
00:46:23,270 --> 00:46:20,880
skype or the phone or anything like that

1190
00:46:26,390 --> 00:46:23,280
absolutely a distant healing means that

1191
00:46:28,870 --> 00:46:26,400
you just lie down and i

1192
00:46:30,950 --> 00:46:28,880
send you the energy and that book by

1193
00:46:33,270 --> 00:46:30,960
mishimo citro is the way the best

1194
00:46:35,430 --> 00:46:33,280
explanation of how the energy is sent

1195
00:46:38,790 --> 00:46:35,440
but yes absolutely the phone is that

1196
00:46:42,309 --> 00:46:38,800
required okay that's even easier i love

1197
00:46:44,309 --> 00:46:42,319
it good oh yeah absolutely no no no no

1198
00:46:46,710 --> 00:46:44,319
you just go lay down get your jammies on

1199
00:46:48,870 --> 00:46:46,720
get comfy and you know and then i send

1200
00:46:52,390 --> 00:46:48,880
the we we we agree we make an

1201
00:46:55,750 --> 00:46:52,400
appointment and um and we also prefer to

1202
00:46:58,390 --> 00:46:55,760
do four bingston treatments as

1203
00:47:00,470 --> 00:46:58,400
rather than just one or two or 25 or

1204
00:47:04,150 --> 00:47:00,480
whatever we prefer to do four

1205
00:47:06,069 --> 00:47:04,160
because um a lot happens the first of

1206
00:47:08,550 --> 00:47:06,079
all the bankston has to

1207
00:47:11,030 --> 00:47:08,560
get all those emotional underlying

1208
00:47:12,710 --> 00:47:11,040
factors out of you and then it starts

1209
00:47:15,109 --> 00:47:12,720
working on the physical disease and all

1210
00:47:18,230 --> 00:47:15,119
that kind of stuff so uh by the end of

1211
00:47:20,230 --> 00:47:18,240
four sessions we will see a difference

1212
00:47:22,390 --> 00:47:20,240
if this therapy is going to work for you

1213
00:47:25,510 --> 00:47:22,400
if it's not the therapy if you're fine

1214
00:47:27,349 --> 00:47:25,520
95 percent of people have have some

1215
00:47:29,589 --> 00:47:27,359
differences in some way

1216
00:47:32,630 --> 00:47:29,599
and along the way with these four

1217
00:47:34,790 --> 00:47:32,640
therapies what we ask is that um

1218
00:47:37,670 --> 00:47:34,800
48 first of all we don't need to know

1219
00:47:40,309 --> 00:47:37,680
how you feel during the therapy unless

1220
00:47:42,309 --> 00:47:40,319
you're an energy therapist most people

1221
00:47:44,950 --> 00:47:42,319
don't have many feelings most people

1222
00:47:46,710 --> 00:47:44,960
feel sleepy end of story so whatever you

1223
00:47:49,670 --> 00:47:46,720
feel if you want to share that's great

1224
00:47:50,470 --> 00:47:49,680
it's interesting but not essential but

1225
00:47:53,670 --> 00:47:50,480
with

1226
00:47:55,430 --> 00:47:53,680
48 hours after each therapy we require

1227
00:47:57,990 --> 00:47:55,440
you to email me

1228
00:48:00,950 --> 00:47:58,000
and describe to me any

1229
00:48:04,150 --> 00:48:00,960
mental physical emotional changes over

1230
00:48:06,710 --> 00:48:04,160
the last 48 hours no matter how nuanced

1231
00:48:07,510 --> 00:48:06,720
they may be even the tiniest tiniest

1232
00:48:10,630 --> 00:48:07,520
change

1233
00:48:12,950 --> 00:48:10,640
that is how we can tell what the impact

1234
00:48:15,349 --> 00:48:12,960
of the therapy is on an ongoing basis

1235
00:48:17,349 --> 00:48:15,359
and then by the end of four therapies

1236
00:48:19,109 --> 00:48:17,359
based on of course your how you

1237
00:48:20,870 --> 00:48:19,119
subjectively feel like oh my god i have

1238
00:48:23,430 --> 00:48:20,880
so much more energy i can't believe it

1239
00:48:25,589 --> 00:48:23,440
or the pain is completely gone or my

1240
00:48:27,589 --> 00:48:25,599
stomach doesn't hurt or whatever it is

1241
00:48:29,190 --> 00:48:27,599
and you know all of those reports you

1242
00:48:32,230 --> 00:48:29,200
send me

1243
00:48:34,069 --> 00:48:32,240
then we can say okay great we're done or

1244
00:48:35,829 --> 00:48:34,079
we can say you know what we should do

1245
00:48:37,510 --> 00:48:35,839
another round of four let's let's get

1246
00:48:41,270 --> 00:48:37,520
rid of that all together

1247
00:48:43,829 --> 00:48:41,280
so uh that's the only other requirement

1248
00:48:46,870 --> 00:48:43,839
also i require if we're distant

1249
00:48:49,270 --> 00:48:46,880
therapies um i require that you send me

1250
00:48:51,910 --> 00:48:49,280
a photograph of yourself so i can

1251
00:48:53,190 --> 00:48:51,920
connect with you a little better

1252
00:48:55,750 --> 00:48:53,200
and uh

1253
00:48:57,510 --> 00:48:55,760
just a brief description of what the

1254
00:48:59,510 --> 00:48:57,520
current diagnostic state of your

1255
00:49:02,150 --> 00:48:59,520
condition is we don't require medical

1256
00:49:05,430 --> 00:49:02,160
records you know doctors anything like

1257
00:49:07,349 --> 00:49:05,440
that uh x-rays nothing but we do require

1258
00:49:09,190 --> 00:49:07,359
at least a couple of senses how long ago

1259
00:49:10,549 --> 00:49:09,200
did this start what happened have you

1260
00:49:13,349 --> 00:49:10,559
had anything done you know what you've

1261
00:49:16,309 --> 00:49:13,359
been doing for it okay good let's go

1262
00:49:18,230 --> 00:49:16,319
that sounds pretty pretty simple again

1263
00:49:21,589 --> 00:49:18,240
so i'll tell you what i'm not going to

1264
00:49:23,109 --> 00:49:21,599
go into any specifics on the condition

1265
00:49:24,150 --> 00:49:23,119
right now but i will share that

1266
00:49:26,309 --> 00:49:24,160
information

1267
00:49:28,870 --> 00:49:26,319
with you via email and then i will share

1268
00:49:30,870 --> 00:49:28,880
it with my listeners after this whole

1269
00:49:33,109 --> 00:49:30,880
therapy is done and i report

1270
00:49:34,790 --> 00:49:33,119
on the results so i think we'll just

1271
00:49:37,589 --> 00:49:34,800
keep it really simple

1272
00:49:40,390 --> 00:49:37,599
that sounds great yeah and and like any

1273
00:49:44,150 --> 00:49:40,400
kind of health care practice you know

1274
00:49:46,309 --> 00:49:44,160
all confidentiality is 100 maintained

1275
00:49:48,390 --> 00:49:46,319
whatever you want to share with your

1276
00:49:50,390 --> 00:49:48,400
listeners at the end of this is great

1277
00:49:53,829 --> 00:49:50,400
but we are never going to share with

1278
00:49:57,109 --> 00:49:53,839
anyone the information you send us

1279
00:49:59,510 --> 00:49:57,119
well great bernadette i think we have we

1280
00:50:01,030 --> 00:49:59,520
have somewhat of a plan a treatment plan

1281
00:50:03,030 --> 00:50:01,040
i was almost tempted to say but i don't

1282
00:50:05,109 --> 00:50:03,040
know if we want to go there oh let's go

1283
00:50:08,069 --> 00:50:05,119
there that's fine i'm excited

1284
00:50:10,390 --> 00:50:08,079
this has been a fascinating

1285
00:50:12,309 --> 00:50:10,400
discussion up to this point i definitely

1286
00:50:14,150 --> 00:50:12,319
feel like it's not over but you've

1287
00:50:16,309 --> 00:50:14,160
you've certainly set the table for this

1288
00:50:17,829 --> 00:50:16,319
and given people a lot of interesting

1289
00:50:20,390 --> 00:50:17,839
things to think about

1290
00:50:22,230 --> 00:50:20,400
before we wrap things up here tell folks

1291
00:50:24,470 --> 00:50:22,240
a little bit more about

1292
00:50:25,670 --> 00:50:24,480
how they can get in touch with equilim

1293
00:50:27,990 --> 00:50:25,680
e3

1294
00:50:29,670 --> 00:50:28,000
what people are coming to you

1295
00:50:31,030 --> 00:50:29,680
for how they would approach you we're

1296
00:50:32,950 --> 00:50:31,040
definitely have a link to the website

1297
00:50:34,630 --> 00:50:32,960
but anything else you want to say any

1298
00:50:36,630 --> 00:50:34,640
books or anything like that that that

1299
00:50:37,750 --> 00:50:36,640
you have or people in your organization

1300
00:50:40,470 --> 00:50:37,760
have written that they might want to

1301
00:50:42,150 --> 00:50:40,480
hear about oh that's great thank you uh

1302
00:50:44,309 --> 00:50:42,160
well you know um

1303
00:50:46,470 --> 00:50:44,319
the the the teachers that we have come

1304
00:50:49,190 --> 00:50:46,480
here are really the authors that we

1305
00:50:51,349 --> 00:50:49,200
recommend bill bankston of course has

1306
00:50:54,309 --> 00:50:51,359
this book called the energy cure that we

1307
00:50:56,710 --> 00:50:54,319
sell that explains to the whole history

1308
00:50:58,710 --> 00:50:56,720
of this therapy as well as how it works

1309
00:51:00,630 --> 00:50:58,720
and also explains image cycling so you

1310
00:51:03,349 --> 00:51:00,640
can start boosting your your own immune

1311
00:51:05,190 --> 00:51:03,359
system uh he also has a set of cds

1312
00:51:09,109 --> 00:51:05,200
called hands-on healing we sell that as

1313
00:51:11,030 --> 00:51:09,119
well another uh therapy that that is

1314
00:51:13,589 --> 00:51:11,040
quite unique and more and more research

1315
00:51:16,950 --> 00:51:13,599
based is a form of energy psychology

1316
00:51:19,589 --> 00:51:16,960
called holographic memory resolution uh

1317
00:51:23,270 --> 00:51:19,599
it's it's actually trauma released there

1318
00:51:26,710 --> 00:51:23,280
are other therapies that are um

1319
00:51:28,790 --> 00:51:26,720
trauma desensitization this is a whole

1320
00:51:31,270 --> 00:51:28,800
incredible therapy developed by a guy by

1321
00:51:33,430 --> 00:51:31,280
the name of brent baum that is actually

1322
00:51:35,910 --> 00:51:33,440
trauma proven trauma release it's like

1323
00:51:37,990 --> 00:51:35,920
shrapnel removal and he has several

1324
00:51:39,030 --> 00:51:38,000
books available that are on our website

1325
00:51:41,270 --> 00:51:39,040
as well

1326
00:51:43,270 --> 00:51:41,280
so um we we would

1327
00:51:46,390 --> 00:51:43,280
be delighted for people to check out

1328
00:51:48,630 --> 00:51:46,400
before if for nothing else just proven

1329
00:51:50,790 --> 00:51:48,640
research about these therapies just for

1330
00:51:52,069 --> 00:51:50,800
the possibility to go huh that's

1331
00:51:53,990 --> 00:51:52,079
interesting

1332
00:51:56,470 --> 00:51:54,000
to just at least take a look at our

1333
00:51:59,030 --> 00:51:56,480
research page to understand that there

1334
00:52:01,190 --> 00:51:59,040
is a lot of information out there our

1335
00:52:07,030 --> 00:52:01,200
research page our website is

1336
00:52:07,040 --> 00:52:12,309
our phone number is 312-786-1882

1337
00:52:18,470 --> 00:52:15,430
here in chicago and we can do

1338
00:52:21,910 --> 00:52:18,480
almost all therapies at a distance you

1339
00:52:25,030 --> 00:52:21,920
would have to be in chicago or fly in

1340
00:52:26,549 --> 00:52:25,040
for a gdv analysis with our research

1341
00:52:27,910 --> 00:52:26,559
director vernon nicholas it is a

1342
00:52:29,990 --> 00:52:27,920
physical machine so you have to

1343
00:52:32,790 --> 00:52:30,000
physically be here for that but just

1344
00:52:34,870 --> 00:52:32,800
about anything else we do reiki

1345
00:52:36,549 --> 00:52:34,880
holographic memory resolution bankston

1346
00:52:39,349 --> 00:52:36,559
method you name it we

1347
00:52:40,630 --> 00:52:39,359
80 of our client base is distant healing

1348
00:52:42,870 --> 00:52:40,640
around the world

1349
00:52:45,109 --> 00:52:42,880
okay bernadette well that's fantastic

1350
00:52:47,190 --> 00:52:45,119
again we're going to wrap things up now

1351
00:52:48,870 --> 00:52:47,200
but we look forward to kind of maybe

1352
00:52:51,510 --> 00:52:48,880
even checking back in with you after

1353
00:52:54,230 --> 00:52:51,520
this therapy is over in the meantime

1354
00:52:56,150 --> 00:52:54,240
thanks again for joining me on skeptico

1355
00:52:59,109 --> 00:52:56,160
it has been a tremendous pleasure thank

1356
00:53:00,470 --> 00:52:59,119
you for having me on alex

1357
00:53:03,109 --> 00:53:00,480
so while i was waiting for my

1358
00:53:05,190 --> 00:53:03,119
cardiologist to accept my insurance i

1359
00:53:06,950 --> 00:53:05,200
started doing energy healing sessions

1360
00:53:09,349 --> 00:53:06,960
with bernadette doran

1361
00:53:11,589 --> 00:53:09,359
i also began exploring other alternative

1362
00:53:12,870 --> 00:53:11,599
treatments for my condition i found an

1363
00:53:15,910 --> 00:53:12,880
excellent website called stop

1364
00:53:21,270 --> 00:53:18,309
and after doing my own research followed

1365
00:53:23,270 --> 00:53:21,280
their dietary recommendations i realized

1366
00:53:25,510 --> 00:53:23,280
this was confounding treatments but i

1367
00:53:27,910 --> 00:53:25,520
was doing everything i could to restore

1368
00:53:30,390 --> 00:53:27,920
my health the energy healing sessions

1369
00:53:32,390 --> 00:53:30,400
with bernadette were rather amazing

1370
00:53:33,910 --> 00:53:32,400
the first time we scheduled a session i

1371
00:53:37,750 --> 00:53:33,920
laid down a few minutes before the

1372
00:53:40,390 --> 00:53:37,760
healing was to begin 9 p.m my local time

1373
00:53:42,630 --> 00:53:40,400
almost immediately i felt a warm painful

1374
00:53:44,470 --> 00:53:42,640
sensation in the middle of my heart

1375
00:53:46,630 --> 00:53:44,480
you might expect i would have associated

1376
00:53:48,870 --> 00:53:46,640
this with the healing but i didn't i

1377
00:53:50,950 --> 00:53:48,880
raised my head and looked at the clock

1378
00:53:53,270 --> 00:53:50,960
it was 901

1379
00:53:55,829 --> 00:53:53,280
that's when i thought there might be

1380
00:53:57,109 --> 00:53:55,839
something to this energy healing stuff

1381
00:53:58,870 --> 00:53:57,119
after all

1382
00:54:01,829 --> 00:53:58,880
the sensation lasted for a few more

1383
00:54:04,150 --> 00:54:01,839
minutes then faded away i spent the rest

1384
00:54:06,870 --> 00:54:04,160
of the hour in a somewhat meditative

1385
00:54:09,750 --> 00:54:06,880
state then fell asleep

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the next day i felt terrible

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much worse than the day before i was

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experiencing severe heart palpitations

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pain in the heart and an upset stomach

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i reported this to bernadette she

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immediately told me that this was very

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00:54:25,430 --> 00:54:23,599
common she told me that i should expect

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to feel worse for a while after the

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treatments and then feel better

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in fact over the next couple days i did

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begin to feel better she also told me to

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00:54:37,349 --> 00:54:35,440
notice my dreams during that first night

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i didn't notice anything different about

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00:54:40,549 --> 00:54:38,400
my dreams

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00:54:42,710 --> 00:54:40,559
during the second night and at other

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00:54:45,750 --> 00:54:42,720
times during the treatments i had some

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00:54:48,150 --> 00:54:45,760
very deep profound dreams that seemed to

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00:54:50,230 --> 00:54:48,160
be related to my healing during the

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00:54:52,390 --> 00:54:50,240
course of my next three treatments i

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00:54:55,190 --> 00:54:52,400
continued to be very skeptical and

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00:54:57,270 --> 00:54:55,200
reported the skepticism to burn a debt

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00:54:59,510 --> 00:54:57,280
but i also kept telling her about my

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00:55:02,390 --> 00:54:59,520
improved health after the four sessions

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bernadette and i decided to do four more

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i still had my doubts about energy

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00:55:10,309 --> 00:55:07,520
healing and about paying someone to send

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00:55:12,790 --> 00:55:10,319
you energy from two thousand miles away

1413
00:55:15,430 --> 00:55:12,800
but i couldn't deny the results either

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00:55:17,270 --> 00:55:15,440
about a week after the eighth treatment

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00:55:20,390 --> 00:55:17,280
i finally reached the point where i

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00:55:22,549 --> 00:55:20,400
didn't think about heart palpitations

1417
00:55:24,309 --> 00:55:22,559
they weren't there anymore i've had a

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00:55:27,510 --> 00:55:24,319
couple of mild reoccurrences in the

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00:55:30,069 --> 00:55:27,520
months since but only mild ones and very

1420
00:55:32,069 --> 00:55:30,079
infrequently i don't know if anyone else

1421
00:55:33,829 --> 00:55:32,079
would have the same experience i don't

1422
00:55:35,910 --> 00:55:33,839
know if was purely bernadette's

1423
00:55:38,069 --> 00:55:35,920
treatment or the change in diet or if

1424
00:55:40,630 --> 00:55:38,079
the whole thing was in my head

1425
00:55:41,589 --> 00:55:40,640
i don't know and to some extent i don't

1426
00:55:43,349 --> 00:55:41,599
care

1427
00:55:45,990 --> 00:55:43,359
i do know that during the period

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00:55:49,109 --> 00:55:46,000
bernadette was supposed to be sending me

1429
00:55:51,750 --> 00:55:49,119
energy i felt a strong sensation

1430
00:55:53,829 --> 00:55:51,760
followed by a shift in my health

1431
00:55:56,150 --> 00:55:53,839
it was a remarkable experience that i

1432
00:55:58,950 --> 00:55:56,160
haven't completely absorbed into my

1433
00:56:02,390 --> 00:55:58,960
world view how can a person 2 000 miles

1434
00:56:05,030 --> 00:56:02,400
away use a very structured technique to

1435
00:56:08,069 --> 00:56:05,040
somehow channel energy to someone

1436
00:56:11,190 --> 00:56:08,079
i don't know but it certainly defies a

1437
00:56:12,789 --> 00:56:11,200
mind equals brain understanding of human

1438
00:56:14,710 --> 00:56:12,799
consciousness

1439
00:56:17,430 --> 00:56:14,720
so there you have it that's one of the

1440
00:56:19,190 --> 00:56:17,440
chapters from my upcoming book and also

1441
00:56:21,829 --> 00:56:19,200
the story about

1442
00:56:24,230 --> 00:56:21,839
my energy healing experience i hope you

1443
00:56:27,750 --> 00:56:24,240
enjoyed that and i'd love to hear from

1444
00:56:31,589 --> 00:56:27,760
you about any experiences you've had

1445
00:56:33,589 --> 00:56:31,599
with energy healing both positive and

1446
00:56:35,750 --> 00:56:33,599
negative if you've experienced that too

1447
00:56:38,069 --> 00:56:35,760
let me know let me know what your

1448
00:56:40,390 --> 00:56:38,079
experience has been of course the place

1449
00:56:43,030 --> 00:56:40,400
to do that is through the skeptico

1450
00:56:45,109 --> 00:56:43,040
website at

1451
00:56:47,190 --> 00:56:45,119
i k s-k-e-p-t-i-k-o dot com

1452
00:56:49,510 --> 00:56:47,200
so once you're there you can jump on

1453
00:56:51,349 --> 00:56:49,520
over to the skeptical form and leave a

1454
00:56:53,750 --> 00:56:51,359
note over there or you can comment

1455
00:56:55,349 --> 00:56:53,760
directly in the show notes following

1456
00:56:56,870 --> 00:56:55,359
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1457
00:57:01,109 --> 00:56:56,880
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1458
00:57:03,589 --> 00:57:01,119
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1459
00:57:07,430 --> 00:57:03,599
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1460
00:57:09,270 --> 00:57:07,440
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1461
00:57:11,510 --> 00:57:09,280
well that's going to do it for today i

1462
00:57:15,270 --> 00:57:11,520
have some interesting shows coming up

1463
00:57:17,190 --> 00:57:15,280
and i have to thank our listeners for so

1464
00:57:20,069 --> 00:57:17,200
many of these shows and i haven't

1465
00:57:21,990 --> 00:57:20,079
individually done that and i probably

1466
00:57:24,710 --> 00:57:22,000
should it just never seems to kind of

1467
00:57:26,950 --> 00:57:24,720
sync up for me to go back and remember

1468
00:57:29,510 --> 00:57:26,960
all the great recommendations i've had

1469
00:57:31,510 --> 00:57:29,520
from people and i've even taken to to

1470
00:57:34,150 --> 00:57:31,520
lately you'll notice either in the forum

1471
00:57:35,670 --> 00:57:34,160
or in facebook or through private emails

1472
00:57:37,190 --> 00:57:35,680
when somebody suggests a guest

1473
00:57:39,270 --> 00:57:37,200
suggestion i'll often go hey why don't

1474
00:57:40,789 --> 00:57:39,280
you go contact that person

1475
00:57:43,030 --> 00:57:40,799
and see if they're interested in being

1476
00:57:46,069 --> 00:57:43,040
in the show and i love doing that i love

1477
00:57:48,069 --> 00:57:46,079
you being involved and being engaged and

1478
00:57:49,670 --> 00:57:48,079
i also find that it really makes a

1479
00:57:51,270 --> 00:57:49,680
difference sometimes with guests when

1480
00:57:53,589 --> 00:57:51,280
they hear from someone other than the

1481
00:57:56,150 --> 00:57:53,599
show host and they're able to explain

1482
00:57:59,030 --> 00:57:56,160
from their perspective why that person

1483
00:58:01,349 --> 00:57:59,040
should be on the show so i love that

1484
00:58:03,829 --> 00:58:01,359
kind of participation and i certainly

1485
00:58:06,710 --> 00:58:03,839
love some of the great guests that you

1486
00:58:08,150 --> 00:58:06,720
all have suggested so please follow

1487
00:58:09,430 --> 00:58:08,160
through with that but i do have to tell

1488
00:58:12,069 --> 00:58:09,440
you i'm kind of

1489
00:58:13,349 --> 00:58:12,079
overbooked right now with more shows

1490
00:58:15,670 --> 00:58:13,359
than i can

1491
00:58:18,309 --> 00:58:15,680
get to right at the moment but do keep

1492
00:58:20,069 --> 00:58:18,319
the suggestions coming i love to hear

1493
00:58:22,870 --> 00:58:20,079
that and i love to hear all your

1494
00:58:25,750 --> 00:58:22,880
feedback in general so feel free to drop

1495
00:58:27,030 --> 00:58:25,760
me an email or a note over on facebook

1496
00:58:29,030 --> 00:58:27,040
and tell me what you think of the show

1497
00:58:31,190 --> 00:58:29,040
good or bad always love to hear what

1498
00:58:33,589 --> 00:58:31,200
people are thinking well that's gonna do